Comments on: Mesoamerican Art & The “Horse” Controversy http://lehislibrary.wordpress.com/2008/04/16/65/ Studying and Defending Mormonism Sun, 08 Nov 2009 13:16:09 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Stephen M (Ethesis) http://lehislibrary.wordpress.com/2008/04/16/65/#comment-125 Stephen M (Ethesis) Sat, 07 Jun 2008 04:15:10 +0000 http://lehislibrary.wordpress.com/?p=65#comment-125 This was an excellent post. This was an excellent post.

]]> By: Best of the Week: Academic LDS : Mormon Metaphysics http://lehislibrary.wordpress.com/2008/04/16/65/#comment-123 Best of the Week: Academic LDS : Mormon Metaphysics Fri, 30 May 2008 21:12:44 +0000 http://lehislibrary.wordpress.com/?p=65#comment-123 [...] Mesoamerican art and the “horse” controversy. Nice discussion of the problem and some art. Also at Jeff Lindsay’s blog. [...] [...] Mesoamerican art and the “horse” controversy. Nice discussion of the problem and some art. Also at Jeff Lindsay’s blog. [...]

]]> By: James http://lehislibrary.wordpress.com/2008/04/16/65/#comment-109 James Mon, 05 May 2008 06:56:20 +0000 http://lehislibrary.wordpress.com/?p=65#comment-109 Chris(California Kid), If you notice, noone in this post has speculated that this artwork suggests that humans rode deer. In fact, Mark Wright already beat you to the punch in pointing out that it is the Moon Goddess (a nature deity) who is riding these deer. Wright suggests that the most interesting thing about this artwork is that the deer have a sort of saddle and reins, which propels us to ask "how did they know about those things?" The purpose of drawing attention to this artwork is to simply point out that the debate is far from over and that there is still much to learn. James Chris(California Kid),
If you notice, noone in this post has speculated that this artwork suggests that humans rode deer. In fact, Mark Wright already beat you to the punch in pointing out that it is the Moon Goddess (a nature deity) who is riding these deer. Wright suggests that the most interesting thing about this artwork is that the deer have a sort of saddle and reins, which propels us to ask “how did they know about those things?”
The purpose of drawing attention to this artwork is to simply point out that the debate is far from over and that there is still much to learn.

James

]]> By: Chris http://lehislibrary.wordpress.com/2008/04/16/65/#comment-108 Chris Mon, 05 May 2008 04:36:46 +0000 http://lehislibrary.wordpress.com/?p=65#comment-108 These are apparently mythological scenes, in which nature deities use wild animals as beasts of burden. This doesn't mean humans did so. See <a href="http://www.mormondiscussions.com/discuss/viewtopic.php?t=5745" rel="nofollow">here</a>. These are apparently mythological scenes, in which nature deities use wild animals as beasts of burden. This doesn’t mean humans did so. See here.

]]> By: James http://lehislibrary.wordpress.com/2008/04/16/65/#comment-97 James Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:05:59 +0000 http://lehislibrary.wordpress.com/?p=65#comment-97 This post has recieved significant traffic because of the spotlight that Jeff Lindsay recently placed on it. http://mormanity.blogspot.com/ This post was initially meant only as a place for me to store these wonderful pictures for future use. Maybe you can use it for a similar reason. What this post is NOT, is an attempt to explain or conclude anything about the horse controversy. This art presents some new information that I think it extremely relevant to the debate, and which may or may not prove useful in the future. This post has recieved significant traffic because of the spotlight that Jeff Lindsay recently placed on it. http://mormanity.blogspot.com/

This post was initially meant only as a place for me to store these wonderful pictures for future use. Maybe you can use it for a similar reason. What this post is NOT, is an attempt to explain or conclude anything about the horse controversy. This art presents some new information that I think it extremely relevant to the debate, and which may or may not prove useful in the future.

]]> By: James http://lehislibrary.wordpress.com/2008/04/16/65/#comment-96 James Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:01:40 +0000 http://lehislibrary.wordpress.com/?p=65#comment-96 Hi Neal. John Sorenson reminds us in his monumental work "An Ancient American Setting for the Book of Mormon" that in 1560 AD an early Spaniard named Tomas Medel noted that the natives in the lower and hotter areas of Guatemala were darker skinned than those living in the highlands of Guatemala. In fact, Medel says that the highlanders "appeared but little different from the Spaniards"(Sorenson,pg.89). Sorenson also tells a story of Cortez, the well known Spanish conqueror. Cortez sent native allies to spy on a rebel group of Spaniards in Central Mexico, and among the party he sent two of his own men, Spaniards, dressed like Indians. Sorenson says "They succeeded in being in the camp of the rebel Spaniards for a lengthy period, then returned to reprot the state of affairs, their own Spanish identity never being detected by their countrymen"(pg.90) According to Sorenson, present day surviving peoples in Book of Mormon lands enjoy a substantial range of skin shades, from dark brown to virtual white(pg.90). Hope that helps! Hi Neal.
John Sorenson reminds us in his monumental work “An Ancient American Setting for the Book of Mormon” that in 1560 AD an early Spaniard named Tomas Medel noted that the natives in the lower and hotter areas of Guatemala were darker skinned than those living in the highlands of Guatemala. In fact, Medel says that the highlanders “appeared but little different from the Spaniards”(Sorenson,pg.89).
Sorenson also tells a story of Cortez, the well known Spanish conqueror. Cortez sent native allies to spy on a rebel group of Spaniards in Central Mexico, and among the party he sent two of his own men, Spaniards, dressed like Indians. Sorenson says “They succeeded in being in the camp of the rebel Spaniards for a lengthy period, then returned to reprot the state of affairs, their own Spanish identity never being detected by their countrymen”(pg.90)
According to Sorenson, present day surviving peoples in Book of Mormon lands enjoy a substantial range of skin shades, from dark brown to virtual white(pg.90).

Hope that helps!

]]> By: Neal http://lehislibrary.wordpress.com/2008/04/16/65/#comment-95 Neal Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:31:18 +0000 http://lehislibrary.wordpress.com/?p=65#comment-95 Wow. The image file dogs1.jpg shows dark-skinned people clearly differentiated from lighter-skinned people. Did this differentiation in skin color exist among the inhabitants of the Americas at the time the Europeans came? Or had skin color become more or less homogenous by then? This is a topic I haven't read about in any LDS apologetics. Wow. The image file dogs1.jpg shows dark-skinned people clearly differentiated from lighter-skinned people.

Did this differentiation in skin color exist among the inhabitants of the Americas at the time the Europeans came? Or had skin color become more or less homogenous by then?

This is a topic I haven’t read about in any LDS apologetics.

]]> By: Andrew Miller http://lehislibrary.wordpress.com/2008/04/16/65/#comment-94 Andrew Miller Wed, 30 Apr 2008 00:13:13 +0000 http://lehislibrary.wordpress.com/?p=65#comment-94 Did you know Mormanity has referred to this cool post? You might want to head over there and check it out. Did you know Mormanity has referred to this cool post? You might want to head over there and check it out.

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